Edoryu of Ronde
19/15 +8hit +5dmg 35% crit
Kaiser Edoryu
17/15 +8hit +5dmg 35% crit
I wonder if making Ronde
20/15 +8hit +7dmg 35%crit
Is all it would take to help it fit into it A tier progression better.
Im not too sure how to run the numbers without an actual weapon and doing -dmgtesttarget.
Also if you constantly troll other people then expect people doing it back to you.
Called time and place. If you think #improvement-reports is the place to go at someone whos "trolled" you (rightfully called you out for your uninformed opinions) and not #general or any other channel that doesn't deal with serious conversation then id rather not type what I want to type right now without potentially getting a Discord ban.
IMO opinion it dosnt matter what stats certain weapon has till you know what kind of damage it does compared to other weapons
Want to take a wild guess at which DE on the server owns the 10Kedo and the 7Ronde that were used for testing that led to these conclusions, reached out to a GM who confirmed the info shared, then suggested this thread be made? I'll give you as many guesses as you'd like since you will most likely need every one of them...
We have weapon damage table (its fantastic ty)
You are clueless and have zero idea about the conversation's ive had with GM's about Ronde before this event event took place.
The weapons progression page was misleading due to the fact that it wasn't factoring in certain nuances (specific buffs etc) which @Mephi then tackled and updated said weapons page (the screenshot in this post being on the DE page is not a coincidence... discord.com/channels/1427113623687401537/1440289191832584…)
Prior to that, the weapons progression page was clearly listing Ronde as a significant improvement over the Kedo.
Like I said, you're clueless 👍🏻
fcfc i say to you second time . If you dont reply post like mine if you dont have anything to say and you want keep your threads clean .
My first post was just an opinon and as i sayd i joined to thread only because you were selling same item.
look your own post and say me who is provoking who
god what a kid
The main ISSUE with Edoryus is the "Damage die"
If you pump +2 flat damage, a +7ronde will outperform the 10kedo
If you raise 4 points the "die damage" it will also outperform, BUT it will give a considerable burst as well on Burning spirit and Double break stacked proc.
This said, It is matter of Lineage that rare weapons got outclassed by craftable weapons, due the fact that every 3 +7 > +8 with big numbers.
BUT, potentially, if you have the ballz a your ronde might be the one that pops to +9
TL.DR
Pump die from 19 to 21 and it will be similar a +7 as a +10
i did look for numbers.
Whole issue is DE buffs what increase small 0.8 damage difference to bigger when all buffs are up. (according to weapon damage table)
its unfair to compare DE with other classes because other classes so called A tier is performing to 0.x worse without DE buffs
Also +7 Baranka claw is weaker when +10 kaiser claw. Shouldnt it get buffed to perform as proper A tier weapon ?
I didnt never pay serious attention to DE damage numbers. Now after looking numbers and looking other class damage numbers i have question.
WTF is going on there ? Why i difference with other melee classes so big ?
Mephi if you happen to see it and have moment of free time. Is it possible to add braves , wafers and other hit speed buff to weapon damage table. As you did with class buffs.
Honestly im lost becuse its almost up to 3x damage difference with other classes
good starting point imo 🙏🏻 🫂
good start for what ?
To point out that not only +7ronde is performing worse when +10 lower tier but every weapon mentioned here before is doing it.
Only reason why is visible with dark elf is because multipliers. Im sorry, but i belive game developers could do something other when trying to balance 0.x difference damage in weapon tables. Its nighmare to try to do it.
There is nothing wrong with ronde damage. It is no need to buff a class who is already broken because its weapon is performing 0.x worse when one big kid expects. One who had problems selling his ronde.
part2
bigger picture and what is actually happening with different echant and resistances
Im using now buffed DE. It makes differences more visible
30str 0mr 0 er
+7 ronde +3e 163.5/155.4 +10 kaiser +5e 162.1/154
+8 ronde +3e 168.5/160.8 +11 kaiser +5e 166.1/158
+9 ronde +4e 180.2/172.1 +12 kaiser +5e 170.2/162.1
+10 ronde +5e 191.5/183.4 +13 kaiser +5e 174.2/166.1
30str mr135 er 36
+7 ronde +3e 147.1/139.0 +10 kaiser +5e 156.1/148
+8 ronde +3e 151.5/143.7 +11 kaiser +5e 160.1/152.1
+9 ronde +4e 161.9/153.8 +12 kaiser +5e 164.2/156.1
+10 ronde +5e 169.3/161.3 +13 kaiser +5e 168.2/160.1
As numbers show +7 ronde is actually better with 0mr,0er.
Ronde will fall off if you start adding resistances but will catch up and beat kaiser with elemental enchant increase. ronde also scales a little better with every +1 normal enchant.
So whole difference comes from target resistances and elemental enchant level.
Its question of setting up balance point with what you balance weapon table but in reality. Its almost impossible to balance weapons when one of them has elemental attack what interracts with resistances and other dosnt.
I would peronally stick with 0 resistances. Its simple and most people accept it. Problem with certain balance point in resistance table is. Every person has his own right opinion what that point is. It causes to many problems over time and most of those problems arnt related to game.
Worst is having for most weapons 0resistance point and for some odd weapons 135mr36er point. Specially if that odd weapon is for class what does beat other classes dps up to 3x.
passionate kopikas is done. I dont have notming more to add to this discussion.
Kopikas, the main issue is and WAS that ronde as pre-fidelity under-perform.
And the offender was that crafting is easier than obtaining the ronde. Pumping the "die" in 2 points is roughly a virtual +1 enchant average dmg, and extra potential full crit burst.
we were giving ideas to solve that, we weren't giving ideas, calculations or tests to not solve that.
did you even look numbers what i posted ?
did you read when i wrote it depends what you take for balance point.
Did care to read when i sayd ronde has elemental damage proc what is reduced by resistances where kaiser dosnt have it.
Where it is announced that items stat are related to item drop rate or how hard it is get a item ? Game has many rare items what suck. Does it meand reborn team need start improving every of them ?
Does presenting data what you dont like and what doesnt fit with your ideas make it dumb ?
Do i have right to post my view of matter ? even if its one line like "item rarity as excuse means 0 till thebes weapons are in game.". There is nothing in this line what is provoking normal person.
Normal person would just ask what i meant if he dosnt understand
Now tur2010 i suggest you block me like fcfc did. You seems to person who cant handle converation if other people have different ideas and point out your mistakes.
just for your own sake
forgot to say .
yes i did read your post and i disagree that ronde does need buff.
It wasnt my post. I ALSO wrote that I doubt it needs a buff, because "potentially" it is better, Just need a ndai. BUT I posted a simple option-solution in case CODERs want to take a look into it.
BECAUSE THIS POST IS ABOUT THAT. You want to post that it doesnt need buffs... Man, get a life and post it on another post.
What FCFC was trying to tell you all along. YOU are a troll. If you want to post non-constructive arguments to SOMETHING that hasn't happened yet. YOU are just contributing negatively.
IT IS ABSURD.
Are you the police server? If you feel that 2 dmg pump on a die is absurd, when it HAPPENS, complain about it.... And present your data. I really think that GMs in this server know what they are doing and can MAKE they OWN decisions.
That is feedback. Contributing with counter-arguments on something that has NOT yet happened is just... Well, everyone understands but you...
Not blocking you. Love to see how you compute for hours to just validate my intuitive maths.
So what is wrong with my data presentation and analysis to CODERs who want to take a look into it ?
Do you think people dosnt have right to present counter arguments to original argument ?
And why you present your last arguments to me ? Im not one who makes decisions.
He doesn’t have a good enough grasp on the English language to understand nuanced and complex discussions and combined with his lack of critical thinking skills makes it impossible to have any sort of intelligent discussion with him.
The guy just schizo rants and is incapable of understanding all of the points, references, and nuances behind this topic that others have brought up while unintentionally validating points yet still arguing.
Waste of time. Looking forward to any mod stepping in at this point tbh.
@fcfc sorry for piggybacking onto you thread but I think might be useful? Here is my ingame -dmgtesttarget command (small to a storage NPC, large to a Giant-light) with Bkedo, ronde, poison claw, and fid claw. Provide this not only for Ronde but also Fid weapons progression re-adjust, perhaps.
here is +2 fid edo, +6 claw hate, +10 poison claw, +7 ronde
How much Earth res
For mine, Rayearth is the storage NPC at warp 7, so have no data for his element resistance and other status; for giant - light, only a few data can found on the official web as shown.
Try a real monster or player I'd say
Per small target damage, I think it’s easier to test on a player for elemental damage since stats is visible, but for large targets, monsters have no where to find their elemental resistance (i.e. the giant I tested on). Is it, perhaps, from your side able to check it for us please?
Dmg test may not work well on town npcs
Any comment on that new weapon in the progression page?
What's that new weap
Giant is actual mob, Ill test small dmg targets on real player
Anything new that syncs is a work in progress likely event related
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