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Elf is Sad

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Yamm Discord edited

I welcome all for an open discussion about Elf in this server.

In this server, many customizations and changes have put Elf in a very tough position. Elf (I can speak for mage too but that will be another post) generally feel underwhelmed greatly due to many reasons.

REASON 1 - Everything hurts
Weapons, gears, and skills are boosted primarily on damage output. Increased proc damage, customized gears that boost int & sp, boosted base damage on weapons, 30% boosted dmg from destroy, etc. have made elf a victim.

  • DE can easily deal 200-450 damage per swing
  • DK can easily deal 300+ foe slayer damage
  • Illu deals 100+dmg per swing without misses
  • Destroy can go from 600-800 dmg

Other classes can eliminate an elf pretty easily and quickly within a few seconds. Elf runs slower, hp generally lower (~1400hp-1800hp depends on stats & gears), DR is low, ER is low. Elf is a fucking meat on a butcher table when PvP.

REASON 2 - ELF IS NERFED
Ebind is nerfed, erase is nerfed, cancel is nerfed, wind elf sucks coz the skill does not work, water pollute is hard to land, ebind is hard to land, it is hard to land other debuff skill

These skills are meant to crowd control. It is meant to control melee not to get too close and keep swinging at you. These skills buy time for elf to stay in the PvP field. When these are nerfed, melee just come rush at you, swing you, and you either venz or dead.

REASON 3 - BUILT IS LIMITED
This has been mentioned before. DEX built is not working. DEX gives too less of an impact in terms of damage & hit. There are still ALOT OF MISSES even going full dex.

SOLUTIONS

  1. Nerf weapon damages from other classes. DE should not do 450 damage with one swing. Foe slayer should not do 300 damage. Some FIDs are too strong (e.g. sword and edo), Destroy damage is insane and should be

reduced.

  1. Rework on elf spells. ALOT of reworks please. Buff all elements skills (fire, wind, earth, water)
  2. Rework DEX to dmg/hit formula.
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Xelakrap (젤라) Discord

Were elves originally meant to be glass cannons?

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Legolas site: LOOT Discord

I agree on most of these topics besides nerfing other classes. I think DK DE Knight are in a good spot. Elf’s just need to be brought up to match them. Spells need to go back to how they were and always should have been. Erase,Ebind go back to taking off more Mr and longer duration on bind. Wind needs a major buff but I’m told that’s being worked on. Fire elf is honestly in a good spot with brave speed being added to it. You just need high lvl to spread your stats out to be strong in that class and element as you need con,wiz,str and int. Water got a big buff with the int added that’s in a solid spot. It’s mainly Earth needs ebind length uppped and wind needs higher dmg. So to sum it up. Revert erase and ebind nerf and up wind.

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Legolas site: LOOT Discord

Oh also Thebes proc should stack. It will not proc again if it’s already in the middle of a 3 lick proc. Should be able to proc right after the first lick lands which in return does more dmg. Right now you hit a few CMs and you block all 3 licks

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Legolas site: LOOT Discord

On other servers I could proc 3 times in a row with 9 licks going off. This mainly happens with luck or when multiple Thebes weps are hitting one target. It should not be limited to one proc at a time. When a Mage,DK,DE and Elf are all hitting one target with Thebes. It nerfs the dmg output being done as only one can proc at a time

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Legolas site: LOOT Discord

For example you can proc with bapho staff every swing if you get lucky. So if 5 mages swinging you could proc 5 times in 1 swing by each player. You can’t do that with Thebes

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Legolas site: LOOT Discord

This applies to all proc weps besides Thebes.

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Legolas site: LOOT Discord

@Anct send this all over to the team to review please

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Thijmen_P Discord

Let’s be honest mages can’t really do anything either in combat… accept for a destroy

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SlimShady Discord edited

Also illu once someone is over 150 mr and uses double fant does not hit for 100 per swint

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SlimShady Discord

36 sp and I was hitting strength for 60 per swing (ice kiri and +4 HD kiri)

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Mad Discord

make elf great again! and remove stun resist !!!

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Yamm Discord

If anything bringing the damage down is not necessary an actual nerf. It is just returning to more normal atk power closer to original lineage.

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SlimShady Discord

Did you have double fant food on both of these? My dmg was against a knight yesterday after casting avatar on him he laughed at me, hes a bully 🙁

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Xelakrap (젤라) Discord

I'm kinda in agreement with removing thebes proc's internal cooldown. It was nice to be able to proc 3 times on a triple arrow.

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Bringer site: bringer4354 Discord edited

Hell yeah make thebes weapons great again.

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Anct Discord

Marking as under review for the team to review this one.

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Kefka Discord

I'm not playing elf, but I know usually elves are broken. It's not a coincidence they have been nerfed here. Anyways I always suggest to do minor changes, to see how that balance the meta. Maybe, if they really are under the line, it's a great idea to improve their skills at 1% weekly ratio, to see how the meta evolves until we find the balanced spot.

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KiinggKev Discord

I second reviewing the dex hit/dmg bonus charts.

I also agree with reviewing and tweaking the base success rates as well as Mr/lvl bonuses for elf combat debuffs (erase, pollute, gale, shackle, bind)

I disagree with nerfing other classes—the game gets more fun when higher damage outputs are more common, that’s the direction nc took the game.

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Xelakrap (젤라) Discord

I dont agree with buffing every other class in the past, then once elves are approached, we rewind and nerf other classes back lol.

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Bringer site: bringer4354 Discord

I've been told a fully geared dex elf with a cold bow does insane damage per arrow, maybe bow damage is fine after the recent change ?

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Xelakrap (젤라) Discord

What's everyone's opinion on this new queued proc system?

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Mephi Discord

it just doesnt add a proc when one is active from a unique player

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WTFnow Discord

I played on one server before that thebes only does on chaser. If people do not want queued thebes proc, I think one chaser may fix the issue.

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WTFnow Discord

Yes, but people want 30x chaser on 1 target

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Mephi Discord

other servers have 30x chaser on 1 target?

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