HIdden Demon Weap Improvements

On the subject of hidden weapons.. I'd like to add how useless the hit is for the kiri...these weapons definitely need some attention it would be great to see them as a viable option since they are rare.

I kinda disagree with the idea of buffing Hidden Demon weapons.

The post doesn’t mention level, build, or enchant level, and I think those details matter quite a bit. A weapon can feel very different depending on who’s using it.

Mana is also supposed to be scarce in this game. To me, HD weapons were never meant to let you sustain unlimited mana and spam spells all day. They’re more of a niche weapon that you build around.

I used to run an HD Bow on my elf, and I found it worked much better on a DEX-focused build than an INT-focused one. The proc rate wasn’t amazing, but that felt intentional given how valuable mana is in this game.

I also think enchant level matters a lot. My bow was +5, and higher hit rate means more chances to proc. Without knowing the OP’s enchant level, it’s hard to judge how the weapon is really performing.

If the weapon is actually proccing for 1 mana when it’s supposed to be 5–12, then sure, that sounds like a bug and should probably be looked at. But as for increasing the proc rate or massively increasing the mana drain, I’m not really sold on that.

As an INT/WIS mage, I don’t think the purpose of an HD weapon is to drain huge amounts of mana so you can continuously cast spells. If that was the case, mana management would become a lot less meaningful.

What made you stop using the +5 HD bow? If you need +5 to feel useful I think that is an issue in itself isn't it? Again I did not test all weapons, so I will focus on the mage part. We already have mana drain from staff of mana. I can assure you the HD staff is far off , be it +2, +4 or whatever. Of course I can't test across all weapons of all +, but the gm can, and use my suggestion to find a nice medium which I hope will happen here. Another point I can bring up is do you feel HD weapons across the spectrum are being used currently with their intended niche situations? I do not feel that is the case.

I don’t think needing a higher enchant level to really shine is necessarily a problem. That’s true for a lot of items in the game. Take the Lich Robe for example—it’s decent at +5, but becomes significantly better at +7. That’s just the risk/reward aspect of over enchanting.

As for why I stopped using the HD Bow (to clarify it’s on another server), it’s because I switched back to playing an INT elf. The weapon simply didn’t fit my playstyle anymore. That doesn’t mean I thought it was weak, just that I preferred a different build.

The other thing I would point to is Blood to Soul. An elf can convert 40 HP into 12 MP every 3 seconds, and there’s a cooldown where you can’t cast. That’s already a dedicated mana recovery mechanic built into the class. I don’t think an HD weapon should be outperforming something like that, whether it’s the bow or the staff.

If there’s genuinely a bug causing the proc to return values outside the documented range, then absolutely, that should be fixed. But personally, I see that as a bug fix issue rather than evidence that HD weapons need a buff.

As for whether HD weapons are being used in their intended niche, that’s a fair question. But low usage alone doesn’t automatically mean they’re underpowered. Sometimes niche items are just that—niche. Not every rare weapon needs to become a mainstream choice.

I think I made my point and will stop replying 🙂… have fun leveling

To your point removing the "bugged" low rolls of 1-4 could increase the avg to a point it could feel better, but would like a gm to test vs mana staff to see, thanks for your contribution regardless.

The majority of weapons on the server have been adjusted to feel worth using. This has been our goal of the server since the beginning. Hidden demon is no different. I haven’t gotten around to balancing and adjusting. These items were released before upgrading.

The idea is to make it where this is a unique item and not a replacement for any one type of weapon. It should feel useful though.

So far
Sword - hp proc
Two-handed sword - hp proc
ChainSword - hp proc
Axe - hp proc
Claw - hp proc
Staff - mp proc
Bow - mp proc
Kiringku - mp proc

These were the original procs.

We’re still working on these and will work with the team to balance these weapons.

ok great, thanks. All I wanted was to take a look and see if it needs balancing 🙂

It is similar to my comment. I also have this item but I have never ever used it since it just does nothing in comparison to SOM (not even comparing it to SSOM)!

These have been updated.

Thanks Sam! We'll close this one out but feel free to reply if anyone has any questions or comments to add.